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[nevelis]

Hey folks! We've been hard at work over the last week & a half to bring you yet again another early maintenance with more content and new features, as well as a few fixes! Here's what went in this week:

• New patch released with Halloween items - make sure you run your patcher!
  
• Terms and Conditions have changed; in order to log into the game, you will first need to log into the website, and accept the new terms and conditions.
  
• Some cities have been removed from the Halloween event that have hard/impossible to access areas (thanks Skoiipion for pointing out these cities)
  
• Floating rates have ended
  
• Drain Life has been completely rewritten by MC to match the official skill description. The bug that prevented life from actually being drained has been fixed too.
  
• Database searches on the website now display the item ID, to make figuring out what to @alootid easier
  
• The GM Assistant has been rewritten. You can now select your language (current options are English and Spanish), and select what kind of help you require
  
• Skelling potions are now dropped
  
• Two 'Seers' (sub-GMs) have been picked and will be joining the staff :3
  
• MC Vouchers may now be exchanged for Halloween items from an NPC in Lutie - look in the Halloween topic for more info! Also be aware that these items are ZOMG ONLY AVAILABLE FOR A LIMITED TIME!!! So save the towns from the invasions every nightfall and start collecting those vouchers!!

Have a great week!

The staff at Midgard Chronicles

[Siduas]

im sorry nev i mean i like mc ro and things but i dont fully understand why the new terms and conditions applys, i may decide to do it, but i have been awaiting my Hat back for sometime now and never have recieved it its almost november way past july, and i decide to give out my info to someone i know i can trust i dont fuully belive i should lose my donates which i payed for with my money, you can take my zeny , or kick me for a while but being banned seems a lil harsh as well.


i mean i guess if i accept it i accept it although i do not really like those two in there about giving my password to someone i know i can trust, but then again, this helps keep stolen accounts and items being stolen, and also saves you a ton of headaches. i loan my item to someone in INS and they claim they dont have it but meh who care iut was alot of dolls and alot of my zeny down the drain and why i really lost intrest you cant seem to trust anyone in this game, everyone is always wanting to rip you off which is stupid its a game its meant to be fun.

[MADDIE]

amen

[nevelis]

Siduas, on 19 October 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:

i dont fully understand why the new terms and conditions applys

What don't you fully understand?

These are to protect players, as well as support GMs in their decisions on handling issues consistently. If you give your password out to someone and they steal your items, why should it be the staffs job to get them back? It's a bad judgement on your part if you give your password to someone you thought you could trust, but later on find out you can't.

It also protects you against account theft - if you leave the server for a few months and find your account has been stolen by someone you've given their password to, this allows you to get the account back. Premium items are bound to your account, so you will not lose the items you've exchanged donation credits for, so I don't think you have to worry about that.

As for items being removed; this covers the case where you may have illegitimately obtained items, or exploited a bug to gain other items. We don't just decide "hey, we're going to take his items just because we feel like it" - we're here to look after the players, not to make your lives hard.

The last 'terms and conditions' were very implicit and it caused a lot of issues because of this. This set is our entire policy put out in front of you so you can make sure what you're agreeing to, and it is a clear-cut set of the rules that you must abide by if you're to use the game.

I'm a little unsure as to which part of the terms you're debating, care to share that with me?

[Siduas]

yea, i thought i read on the terms and conditions that your donates can be removed from you for even sharing your password,belive me i fully understand the policy at hand.

Yes i agree it helps you guys, yes i agree it infacts helps cut down I.D theft, which is great, because reasons being is even thou we trust only certain people, you never know about that person really, or even worst they could be in a major line of being attack them selves, Hackers are a major concern , and people who you can not trust.

but for me, i would let my girl log in on my account if she ever needed anything and i was to busy to quicckly log on, yea i trust her with everything.. and she knows it, i know she would let me know if she got anything off my account and i wouldnt really care..

but i do agree to what your saying thats the only thing that i read about giving your password out about what might happen Having donates removed being banned etc, ive been with my girl for 5 years so yea i kinda trust her with my info xD


anyways nevs im not knocking on the Policy itself i have read it fully, it just raise a concern to me if i let my girl log in which she has never logged into my account even once that could happen to me is all anyways there you go bud

[xitan]

I find in my case it's hard for me to not trust someone I live with that I am also married to But I can see the concern none the less, however as the saying often goes; we must sacrifice certain liberties in the name of security. (although I admit sometimes one can go to far, but that is neither here nor there and I have no problems with the new ToS btw)
The one thing I like about this ToS, having worked on an RO server many many years ago, is that it makes it quite clear what GM's and Admins can and cannot do, but it also makes it clear what they WILL do especially if you break the rules and end up suffering for it in some way or another. More places, games, and servers need clear cut ToS agreements like this (I also like how you cannot log in to the game unless you agree ).

[nevelis]

I don't mind you knocking the TaC - if you have beef with it then it either means something is incorrectly clarified or we've missed something and we are always open for feedback; we can't do everything right first time, no matter how much we'd like to :3 so it is good to get feedback like this; it's better for everybody this way.

Perhaps we need to clarify, but I'll do it here: Staff will not delete items, unless they are illegally obtained, or they have been obtained by illegitimate means. This doesn't mean "If someone logs into your account, we'll delete your items", this means for example, if you find an exploit to create Zeny, and then use that Zeny to purchase an item, or credits to buy an item, then we reserve the right to remove that item.

And I know account sharing will happen anyway - there is no way to really prevent this, and you're both absolutely right about letting your women on. But it's a constant and explicit notice/reminder that if you DO give your password away, your account may not be under your control anymore. It also states that unauthorized access to an account is not allowed.

To put in a practical sense (the terms I think you may be misunderstanding):

• Clause 1b: you may not log into someone elses account and take items, even if you gave them the item in the first place. If you do, they will be returned to the other account. If you want to lend someone an item, take some collateral in case they don't return it.
  
• Clause 1c: you don't LOSE the items, you lose the RIGHTS to the items if you give away your password. So if Jack trusts Jill and gives her his password, and then Jill then takes an item from Jack's account without his knowledge & vends it, sells it, it's destroyed, whatever, Jack has lost the rights to the item because he gave away his password. In addition to this, Jill has broken 1b and Jill will be punished if Jack complains, but Jack will not get the items back because he gave up his password.
  
• Clause 1d: this clarifies both of these two - if you access someones account and take their items or zeny, then you will have those items or zeny removed, including items or zeny you may have gained by obtaining them. For example - if you take 100m zeny from someone, and then use it to gamble at the casino, and win 200m zeny, you can have it all removed because the 200m zeny was earned from the original 100m.

Does that help with understanding? Again, if you don't understand the TaC then we need to know so we can clarify, and if you don't agree with them we need to discuss other options.

And thanks to both of you for your replies

[Siduas]

see that what i prob needed, yea i can agree to those terms xD, and yes i agree with nev , and nev your being hard on yourself you guys do alot of great things, i know everyone has a difference of oppionion and feedback is a must, i have never really complain alot about things cept lending out my LKH horns and they never got returned it just shows when you try to help others they will ttake advantage of it, i dont even care about those anymore ill just have to Waste my time hunting and farming the zeny again for them and never loan them to anyone else on the server ever again, and you know who you are btw.


i dont understand why people play dumb when they know they have them.


but on that note im not here to flame or degrade anyone thanks for the clarifying a bit nevs i have aggreed to the terms !

[xitan]

I like the clarification. Yeah, I think you're being harder on yourself than you need to be, but then again that's all relative. As a user/player here I only see what you choose to show
Anyways, maybe this is just my opinion, but perhaps it would do to post the examples you have here in the actual TOC on the site. While I doubt most people misunderstand them, perhaps it would help so we all get an idea of situations you may be referring to.
Anywho, good work to Nev and the Dev team (now THERE is a band name...), keep it up

[Miko]

What are the rules on spamming skills? Is it same as herassment or on a different category? Cause I don't see anything about "skill spamming" anywhere on the terms of use. I don't want to be breaking any rules or anything when I'm using certain skills in town so I'm just double checking. c:

[Rue]

Hm, you're right, the skill spamming somehow disappeared. In some cases it could be considered harassment if it's used specifically in a way to harass a player (such as surrounding them with ice walls, blocking the maze event portal, using traps on them), but generally it should be considered different. Skill spamming is things like repeated use of ice wall, storm gust, true sight, attention concentrate, and etc. These would typically be addressed with a temporary muting. There's no problem with, say, buffing multiple people, creating pots, and whatnot. (On a side: My own personal opinion is that it is polite to keep refining, pot making, and duels out of the center of Prontera since it can be bothersome to others. )

I'd still wait for Nev or Euphie to post some final words on the matter, though. :3